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	<title>Comments on: More Fiber in Foods</title>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://www.starling-fitness.com/archives/2005/08/31/more-fiber-in-foods/#comment-110020</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OMG- Why can&#039;t I count more than 4 fiber grams if I eat a bowl of plain lentils?  1/4 cup dry has 11 grams of fiber and it&#039;s 100% natural???  I just don&#039;t understand it?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG- Why can&#8217;t I count more than 4 fiber grams if I eat a bowl of plain lentils?  1/4 cup dry has 11 grams of fiber and it&#8217;s 100% natural???  I just don&#8217;t understand it?</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Moncur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura Moncur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2005 16:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You&#039;re right. Four grams of fiber is the maximum reduction of the Points that the WW plan allows, so there is only so much food companies can add to really change the Points value of their products.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The problem I&#039;m having is that I don&#039;t think the added fiber is really healthy. It feels like the added protein in cereals like Kashi. Sure it&#039;s there, but it doesn&#039;t really make me feel any more full.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I want my foods as close as they can come to natural. There&#039;s no fiber in milk when it comes out of the cow, so I don&#039;t want any fiber in my yogurt. Plus, the yogurt without the added fiber is cheaper.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right. Four grams of fiber is the maximum reduction of the Points that the WW plan allows, so there is only so much food companies can add to really change the Points value of their products.</p>
<p>The problem I&#8217;m having is that I don&#8217;t think the added fiber is really healthy. It feels like the added protein in cereals like Kashi. Sure it&#8217;s there, but it doesn&#8217;t really make me feel any more full.</p>
<p>I want my foods as close as they can come to natural. There&#8217;s no fiber in milk when it comes out of the cow, so I don&#8217;t want any fiber in my yogurt. Plus, the yogurt without the added fiber is cheaper.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2005 15:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Although it seems that the latest incarnation of WW looks at the fiber on something of a sliding scale with fiber over a certain amount (like 4 grams a serving or so) reducing points less and less overall much like the exercise points seem to do something similar now (I &quot;did&quot; WW at Home once upon a time around 2000 or so, but in actuality I just read the books, played with the calculator and wrote down my foods for about a week and then gave up.) with the exercise points giving a fairly easy 2 points, but to get more than that you really have to put in a major workout.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although it seems that the latest incarnation of WW looks at the fiber on something of a sliding scale with fiber over a certain amount (like 4 grams a serving or so) reducing points less and less overall much like the exercise points seem to do something similar now (I &#8220;did&#8221; WW at Home once upon a time around 2000 or so, but in actuality I just read the books, played with the calculator and wrote down my foods for about a week and then gave up.) with the exercise points giving a fairly easy 2 points, but to get more than that you really have to put in a major workout.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.starling-fitness.com/archives/2005/08/31/more-fiber-in-foods/#comment-218</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2005 00:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Interesting point about Weight Watchers and how adding fiber would decrease the POINTS. This kind of &quot;gaming the system&quot; occurred with Atkins. In the early days the low-carb, high-protein food that was available was not the sort of stuff that people binged on, so Atkins dieters would feel naturally full from the protein and not feel the compulsion to overeat. When the food industry reverse engineered the way that net carbs were computed and started using food engineering tricks to design junk food like ice cream and cookies from the ground up so it would have low net carbs, then the Atkins diet became less effective, because people had binge food that didn&#039;t technically break the rules. And a lot of the food substituted fat for carbs, which increased the calories.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;With WW, the same sort of thing will happen, since weight loss is calorie-dependent, but two foods can have the same number of POINTS but different calories depending on the fiber.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As you say, making your own food is best, and if you need to eat a treat, just eat it (in moderation) and take the calorie/POINTS hit. You&#039;ll save money by not buying the special added-fiber stuff anyway.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting point about Weight Watchers and how adding fiber would decrease the POINTS. This kind of &#8220;gaming the system&#8221; occurred with Atkins. In the early days the low-carb, high-protein food that was available was not the sort of stuff that people binged on, so Atkins dieters would feel naturally full from the protein and not feel the compulsion to overeat. When the food industry reverse engineered the way that net carbs were computed and started using food engineering tricks to design junk food like ice cream and cookies from the ground up so it would have low net carbs, then the Atkins diet became less effective, because people had binge food that didn&#8217;t technically break the rules. And a lot of the food substituted fat for carbs, which increased the calories.</p>
<p>With WW, the same sort of thing will happen, since weight loss is calorie-dependent, but two foods can have the same number of POINTS but different calories depending on the fiber.</p>
<p>As you say, making your own food is best, and if you need to eat a treat, just eat it (in moderation) and take the calorie/POINTS hit. You&#8217;ll save money by not buying the special added-fiber stuff anyway.</p>
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